From phma@oltronics.net Tue Dec 12 20:53:38 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: phma@oltronics.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 13 Dec 2000 04:53:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 59318 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2000 04:53:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2000 04:53:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.oltronics.net) (204.213.85.8) by mta3 with SMTP; 13 Dec 2000 05:54:40 -0000 Received: from neofelis (root@localhost) by mail.oltronics.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA04694 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:53:32 -0500 X-BlackMail: 207.15.133.13, neofelis, , 207.15.133.13 X-Authenticated-Timestamp: 23:53:32(EST) on December 12, 2000 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] fu'ivla tarmi Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:50:11 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <0012091808170I.20188@neofelis> <20001212231313.D108@rrbcurnow.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <20001212231313.D108@rrbcurnow.freeuk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0012122154240D.09168@neofelis> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Pierre Abbat On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Richard Curnow wrote: >I was thinking about this word breaking issue again today, particularly >after the "iglu zbasu" example cited a couple of weeks ago. What >worries me is lujvo of the form CVVCCV followed by a gismu. For (a >contrived) example, the words "ci'ebra zbasu" would be stressed thus if >spoken > > ci'Ebra zbAsu > ^ ^ > +------+---- stress > >but consider how "ci'e brazbasu" could be spoken (given that cmavo can >be arbitrarily stressed) > > ci'E brazbAsu > ^ ^ > +------+---- stress > >i.e. the same! I'm not sure how these two cases can be distinguished in >the spoken language. What am I missing? If a cmavo is stressed on the last syllable (which I tend to do with CVCVV cmavo, e.g. makau), it should be followed by a pause to prevent such confusion. phma