From jjllambias@hotmail.com Wed Dec 13 16:04:44 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 14 Dec 2000 00:04:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 65511 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2000 00:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2000 00:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.240.148) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 Dec 2000 00:04:40 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:04:39 -0800 Received: from 200.42.118.26 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:04:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.42.118.26] To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] fu'ivla tarmi Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:04:39 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2000 00:04:39.0930 (UTC) FILETIME=[74082DA0:01C06561] From: "Jorge Llambias" la pier cusku di'e > >>.ue tolcri xu? .i na se cirko > > > >i li'a na se cirko i se tolcirko > >Argh! What I meant was "Found? They weren't lost!" because I would have >used >{facki} for this kind of finding. Yes, I understood what you meant. I don't think something has to be lost in order to be found, and I don't think {le nu cirko} is a precondition for {le nu tolcri} either. I agree that {facki} should have that meaning, but it doesn't mean "find" (Sp. "encontrar", Fr. "trouver"), it means "find out that" (Sp. "descubrir que", Fr. "decouvrir que"). If the first were the basic meaning (as it should have been) then the second could be used as an extension, but the other way around doesn't seem to work. In any case, usage will probably bring {facki} back to its sensible meaning as well. co'o mi'e xorxes _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com