From lojbab@lojban.org Wed Dec 13 20:50:27 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 14 Dec 2000 04:50:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 3426 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2000 04:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2000 04:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-1.cais.net) (205.252.14.71) by mta3 with SMTP; 14 Dec 2000 05:51:32 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (209-8-89-169.dynamic.cais.com [209.8.89.169]) by stmpy-1.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eBE4oPH73027 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:50:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001213221452.00c8bed0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:20:32 -0500 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] fu'ivla tarmi In-Reply-To: <20001213064403.C174@rrbcurnow.freeuk.com> References: <20001212231313.D108@rrbcurnow.freeuk.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 06:44 AM 12/13/2000 +0000, Richard Curnow wrote: >On Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 11:19:05PM -0500, John Cowan wrote: > > > > Almost. A cmavo with final stress *must* be followed by pause, > > for just this reason. > >I wondered if this was the fix, however I was worried because it's not >quite what the Reference Grammar (online HTML version) says : > > If the final syllable of one word is stressed, and the first > syllable of the next word is stressed, you must insert a pause or > glottal stop between the two stressed syllables. Thus Which section did you find that in? In chapter 4 section 9, point number 5, the following is the text in the html file which matches the book hardcopy. If you are referring to the text in chapter 4 section 2, that is an incomplete statement of the rule (all of the cases where the first syllable of the next word is stressed are covered by the above rule or one of the other rules in section 9). >5) If the last syllable of a word bears the stress, and a brivla follows, >the two must be separated by a pause, to prevent > confusion with the primary stress of the brivla. In this case, the > first word must be either a cmavo or a cmene with unusual > stress (which already ends with a pause, of course). lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org