From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sat Dec 16 07:39:23 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 16 Dec 2000 15:39:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 71533 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2000 15:39:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2000 15:39:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.243) by mta3 with SMTP; 16 Dec 2000 16:40:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 07:39:22 -0800 Received: from 200.42.153.141 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:39:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.42.153.141] To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: detri Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:39:21 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2000 15:39:22.0030 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C6504E0:01C06776] From: "Jorge Llambias" la aulun cusku di'e > > It should be {*be* fi'o *se* nenri}, or just {*be* ne'i}, or {poi >nenri}. > >.i mutce pajmanci i la lojban so'iroi se pajmanci >.i stidi lu mi facki fi pa/lo sfani fi'o nenri le mi stasu li'u .a lu mi >facki fi pa/lo sfani ne'i le mi stasu li'u {fi'o se nenri ko'a} means "inside ko'a". {fi'o nenri ko'a} means "having ko'a inside". In general {fi'o broda ko'a} puts ko'a in the x1 place of broda, that is explained in the book. You may be suggesting a different interpretation, but in that case please be more explicit on how it would work in general. I suppose you don't want {nenri} to be an exception to the general rule. If you don't include {be}, then what you are saying is that the discovery occurs inside the soup, not that the fly is inside the soup. Xod's use of {be} was correct. co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.