From phma@oltronics.net Mon Dec 18 06:16:12 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: phma@oltronics.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 14:16:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 43129 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 14:16:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 14:16:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.oltronics.net) (204.213.85.8) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 14:16:11 -0000 Received: from neofelis (root@localhost) by mail.oltronics.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA29579 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:16:08 -0500 X-BlackMail: 207.15.133.37, neofelis, , 207.15.133.37 X-Authenticated-Timestamp: 09:16:09(EST) on December 18, 2000 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Cultural fu'ivla Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:07:20 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <0012162022460J.01286@neofelis> <20001218064404.B108@rrbcurnow.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <20001218064404.B108@rrbcurnow.freeuk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00121809160513.01286@neofelis> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Pierre Abbat >Is this stuff still considered baselined? In which case Pierre's list >will need transforming into this format. If it's not considered to be >current Lojban any more I'd like to know, as I was going to be building >support for this into the next release of jbofi'e (in terms of the >algorithm to split lujvo into rafsi at least). Clearly this might save >me some work :-) According to 4.16, it's not baselined, it's an experimental proposal. I don't agree with reserving CCVVCV for cultural fu'ivla, or making all cultural fu'ivla be of that form, since most of them don't fit into that form. I think it should be just another fu'ivla tarmi. As to rafsi fu'ivla, I don't see why a fu'ivla couldn't fall at the end of a lujvo, as long as the rafsi preceding it forces the insertion of a 'y' by the rules. If you can come up with a counterexample, please let me know; maybe it means that the rules for fu'ivla should be restricted. phma