From richard@rrbcurnow.freeuk.com Sat Dec 30 14:32:15 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: richard@rrbcurnow.freeuk.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 30 Dec 2000 22:32:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 14039 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2000 22:32:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2000 22:32:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO scrabble.freeuk.net) (212.126.144.6) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Dec 2000 23:33:20 -0000 Received: from du-008-0047.freeuk.com ([212.126.151.47] helo=rrbcurnow.freeuk.com ident=root) by scrabble.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 14CUXg-0002M5-00 for lojban@egroups.com; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 22:32:01 +0000 Received: from richard by rrbcurnow.freeuk.com with local (Exim 2.02 #2) id 14CUWe-00005D-00 for lojban@egroups.com; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 22:30:56 +0000 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 22:30:56 +0000 To: Lojban List Subject: Commas and vowel pairs Message-ID: <20001230223056.F292@rrbcurnow.freeuk.com> Reply-To: Richard Curnow Mail-Followup-To: Lojban List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i-nntp From: Richard Curnow In chapter 3 of the Ref. Grammar, there is a statement "Commas are never required: no two Lojban words differ solely because of the presence or placement of a comma." There are examples of type 3 fu'ivla in chapter 4 such as bangrkore,a where the comma is required to separate an invalid vowel pair. The chapter 3 statement implies the comma can be removed without change of meaning or validity. This implies any of the 25 vowel pairs of the form [aeiou][aeiou] could occur in a cmene or fu'ivla, not just ai au ei oi i[aeiou] u[aeiou] + iy uy (cmene only) as implied by other parts of chapter 4. What degree of validity checking is required on adjacent vowels that aren't separated by commas or apostrophes? Hence what are the valid vowel arrangements in cmene and fu'ivla? (It's pretty clear that only ai,au,ei,oi are valid in gismu and lujvo, by the way they are constructed.) -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard P. Curnow rpc@myself.com Weston-super-Mare United Kingdom http://go.to/richard.curnow/