From lojbab@lojban.org Fri Jan 05 13:00:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 21:00:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 75873 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 20:49:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 20:49:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-5.cais.net) (205.252.14.75) by mta3 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 21:50:13 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (dynamic114.cl7.cais.net [205.177.20.114]) by stmpy-5.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f05Kn6420797 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 15:49:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010102234239.00af6a00@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 23:46:51 -0500 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Commas and vowel pairs In-Reply-To: <20010101214915.A282@rrbcurnow.freeuk.com> References: <20001230223056.F292@rrbcurnow.freeuk.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 09:49 PM 01/01/2001 +0000, Richard Curnow wrote: >Following up on my earlier posting and Cyril's reply ... > >To recap, there is a statement in chapter 3 of the Reference Grammar > "Commas are never required: no two Lojban words differ solely > because > of the presence or placement of a comma." > >This appears to contradict some statements in chapter 4, e.g. this example > > 7.11) bang,r,kore,a > Korean (the language) > > 7.12) kuln,r,kore,a > Korean (the culture) > > Note the commas in Examples 7.11 and 7.12, used because ``ea'' is not a > valid > diphthong in Lojban. I think the resolution of this is found in the alternative orthogrography. In short, for the non-diphthong vowel pairs, a word with "e,a" is identical to the same word with "e'a", and for diphthongable pairs, a word with "e,i" is identical to the same word as "ei" - in other words the pronunciation may be changed by the addition of the comma, but the resulting word is still the same word as it would be interpreted without the comma. I have not had time to look at your table per this analysis. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org