From araizen@newmail.net Sun Jan 07 13:49:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: araizen@newmail.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 7 Jan 2001 21:49:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 72732 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2001 21:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2001 21:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out.newmail.net) (212.150.51.26) by mta2 with SMTP; 7 Jan 2001 21:49:49 -0000 Received: from default ([62.0.180.106]) by out.newmail.net ; Sun, 07 Jan 2001 23:49:30 +0200 To: lojban@egroups.com Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:53:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [lojban] Commas and vowel pairs Reply-to: araizen@newmail.net Priority: normal In-reply-to: <978435443.27833@egroups.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-ID: <97894017101@out.newmail.net> From: "Adam Raizen" > "Commas are never required: no two Lojban words differ solely because > of the presence or placement of a comma." This would seem to imply that you can omit the comma in a word like "banrkorea" and it will be implied by the otherwise impermissible vowel pair. Practically, I don't see why this would cause any problems, though clusters like "aa" look ugly and loglandic :-) While we're at it, the book also says (Chapter 3, section 3): "The comma is used to indicate a syllable break within a word, generally one that is not obvious to the reader. Such a comma is written to separate syllables, but indicates that there must be no pause between them, in contrast to the period. Between two vowels, a comma indicates that some type of glide may be necessary to avoid a pause that would split the two syllables into separate words. It is always legal to use the apostrophe (IPA [h]) sound in pronouncing a comma." Since the comma can be and often is used in a place such as "ban,rkore,a", does that mean that that word can be pronounced /banhrkorEha/? Can it be written "ban'rkore'a"? Maybe it should have been specified that the comma can be pronounced as an apostrophe whenever it's between vowels. co'o mi'e adam