From grey.havens@earthling.net Thu Jan 11 11:25:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: grey.havens@earthling.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 19:25:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 51092 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 19:08:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 19:08:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.epita.fr) (163.5.255.10) by mta1 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 19:08:59 -0000 Received: from ding.epx.epita.fr (ding.epx.epita.fr [10.225.7.13]) by hermes.epita.fr id UAA25076 Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:07:27 GMT Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:08:11 +0100 (CET) X-Sender: To: John Leuner Cc: Robin Lee Powell , , Subject: Re: [lojban] #lojban In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Elrond > And if you're not in Europe or the US, the servers generally deny you > access whether or not you're running ident. I'm glad to learn that I am not the only one in this situation... > I strongly recommend irc.undernet.org, or irc.openprojects.net (it's > lightly loaded). Openprojects fits in better with the geek / hacker image, > I'm not sure that this is the image that lojban wants to present? I do not recommend Undernet at this time, because first Undernet is quite often heavily loaded, and second they are facing these last days a massive DDoS attack which brings the whole IRC network down to nearly nothing... Additionnaly, I'd like to note that while the OpenProjects is a geek / hacker effort, their IRC network is indeed lightly loaded and thus makes it quite unique. Please do not consider the origin of the "company" which hosts the IRC network when choosing which one is the best fit for a stable, long-term IRC channel. Just my piece of salt. PS: what is the proper selbri for a relation between a host and the environment in which it belongs, such as a network ? A selbri that would mean a subtle compound of "to host", "to contain", "to be part of"...