From richard@rrbcurnow.freeuk.com Wed Jan 31 14:47:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: richard@rrbcurnow.freeuk.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 31 Jan 2001 22:46:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 82139 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2001 22:30:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2001 22:30:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO latimer.mail.uk.easynet.net) (195.40.1.40) by mta1 with SMTP; 31 Jan 2001 22:30:23 -0000 Received: from rrbcurnow.freeuk.com (tnt-15-200.easynet.co.uk [212.134.26.200]) by latimer.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40CC537A5 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:30:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from richard by rrbcurnow.freeuk.com with local (Exim 2.02 #2) id 14O5kh-00006A-00 for lojban@egroups.com; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:29:23 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:29:23 +0000 To: Lojban List Subject: Maximum allowed consonant cluster length in fu'ivla? Message-ID: <20010131222923.B372@rrbcurnow.freeuk.com> Reply-To: Richard Curnow Mail-Followup-To: Lojban List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i-nntp From: Richard Curnow In chapter 3 of the Ref. Grammar, there is a statement In Lojban, doubled consonants are excluded altogether, and clusters are limited to two or three members, except in Lojbanized names. In chapter 4, there are examples such as cidjrspageti which contain clusters of 4 consonants, arising from the stage 3 fu'ivla algorithm when the initial rafsi is of CVCC form. Does the word 'member' in the first statement mean 'consonant' or 'pair of consonants'? The stage 3 fu'ivla examples seem to imply it must mean pair of consonants. In this case, is it true to say that the maximum length of consonant cluster in fu'ivla is 4 (with each of the 3 pairs being permissible, and each being a permissible initial pair if the cluster is at the beginning?) [This question has arisen in resolving one of several jbofihe v0.35 bugs; see http://www.rrbcurnow.freeuk.com/jbofihe/bugs035.html for the current list ] co'o mi'e ritcyd. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard P. Curnow rpc@myself.com Weston-super-Mare United Kingdom http://go.to/richard.curnow/