From jcowan@reutershealth.com Thu Feb 01 10:12:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 1 Feb 2001 18:12:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 98051 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2001 18:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2001 18:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.reutershealth.com) (204.243.9.36) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Feb 2001 18:02:38 -0000 Received: from reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@[192.168.3.11]) by mail.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25856; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:04:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A79A4D4.4010805@reutershealth.com> Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 13:03:00 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i686; en-US; 0.7) Gecko/20010119 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lin Zhemin Cc: pycyn@aol.com, lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] RE: apostrophic fits References: <20010202010612.A18478@ljm.qqjane.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Cowan Lin Zhemin wrote: > IIRC, lojban prononciation is not precisely defined. I remember once I > had discussed with Bob about lojban _r_, and he answered me that (in my > own words) any utterance which can make one feel like hearing _r_ can > be one of its prononciations. True enough: Lojban /r/ is any rhotic sound. > If I said the apostroph sign _'_ to be refered as a 'stop' > or 'pause', I took it in convinience, since not everyone is linguist. But no, Lojban "'" cannot be a pause; in fact, pauses cannot exist within Lojban words (writing conventions like "na.a" is really two words). > In lojban, the alphabet x and ' are just different. x should be > pronounced as [h] or [x], both are allophones of [x], and ' is not [h]. In Mandarin, yes; in Lojban, no. There are other allophones of Lojban "x", like [X], but [h] is not one of them. > Try to pronounce coi and co'o, you don't pronounce the latter as > "shoho" but "sho-o". No, you *do* pronounce it "shoho". > IPA theta ? Would you mean the sound like 'th' in English 'three'? Yes. -- There is / one art || John Cowan no more / no less || http://www.reutershealth.com to do / all things || http://www.ccil.org/~cowan with art- / lessness \\ -- Piet Hein