From cowan@ccil.org Wed Feb 07 17:21:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cowan@mercury.ccil.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_3); 8 Feb 2001 01:20:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 9900 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2001 01:20:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2001 01:20:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.ccil.org) (192.190.237.100) by mta2 with SMTP; 8 Feb 2001 01:20:57 -0000 Received: from cowan by mercury.ccil.org with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14Qfln-0001hY-00 for ; Wed, 07 Feb 2001 20:21:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [lojban] kau In-Reply-To: <01020716053301.09960@neofelis> from Pierre Abbat at "Feb 7, 2001 03:58:37 pm" To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:21:11 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: John Cowan From: John Cowan Pierre Abbat scripsit: > Is this right?: > > mi djuno ledu'u makau klama le zarci > I know who goes to the store (it could be nobody) > > mi djuno ledu'u dakau klama le zarci > Someone goes to the store, and I know who it is > > mi djuno ledu'u la djan. kau klama le zarci > I know that it is John who goes to the store > > mi na djuno ledu'u la djan. kau klama le zarci > I don't know that it is John who goes to the store, i.e. > either I don't know who it is, or I do know but it isn't John. Only the first of these should have -kau: mi djuno le du'u da klama le zarci There is some x1 such that I know that x1 goes to the store. mi djuno ledu'u la djan. klama le zarci I know that John goes to the store (which differs only in emphasis/focus from "...that it was John who..." mi na djuno le du'u la djan. klama le zarci It is false that I know that John goes to the store (contradictory negation: could be that I don't know who, it isn't John, John goes somewhere else, etc.) -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org One art/there is/no less/no more/All things/to do/with sparks/galore --Douglas Hofstadter