From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sat Feb 10 11:57:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_3); 10 Feb 2001 19:57:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 23333 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2001 19:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2001 19:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.181) by mta1 with SMTP; 10 Feb 2001 19:57:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 11:56:59 -0800 Received: from 200.41.210.9 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:56:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.210.9] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] RE:su'u Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:56:59 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2001 19:56:59.0869 (UTC) FILETIME=[A11E10D0:01C0939B] From: "Jorge Llambias" la djan cusku di'e >The predicate "married to Gale McGhan" non-rigidly designates me, since >there are many possible worlds in which it isn't true. But "first son >of Thomas Cowan and Marianne Schultz" rigidly designates me, since it >refers to me in every possible world in which I exist at all, and where >I don't exist it designates nobody. Can't you conceive of a world where your parents had a son say a year earlier than the year you were born? Would that person have been really you? >I could have married someone else and still been me (hard as that is to >believe after 20+ years), but the first son of some other parents could >*not* have been me -- that would be somebody else altogether. The first son of your parents could have been some other person, and I'm not sure why you would not be you if you had been someone else's son. Probably you are right in biological terms, but "other worlds" includes any world we can imagine in linguistic terms, if I say "if you had been the son of George Washington" then I am bringing forth a world where you are the son of George Washington. co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.