From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sat Feb 10 19:11:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_3); 11 Feb 2001 03:11:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 74194 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2001 03:11:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2001 03:11:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.240.134) by mta3 with SMTP; 11 Feb 2001 04:12:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:11:16 -0800 Received: from 200.41.210.15 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 03:11:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.210.15] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Imaginary worlds (was su'u) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 03:11:15 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2001 03:11:16.0041 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BCE6390:01C093D8] From: "Jorge Llambias" la djan cusku di'e >The ship of Theseus. Right, thanks! >But this case is not that >case. We are talking about whether "T is (and always has been) >made entirely of plastic" is a possible world (given that T is >in fact made of wood and always has been). I think it's a self- >contradiction. But then so is "T is (and always has been) black" given that T is in fact brown and always has been. T could have been painted black, but then it could also have been changed to plastic. The difference would seem to be one of degree only, since the change of material is more cumbersome, but other than that both properties could be taken as contingent. co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.