From cowan@ccil.org Sun Feb 11 15:45:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cowan@mercury.ccil.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_3); 11 Feb 2001 23:45:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 36071 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2001 23:45:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2001 23:45:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.ccil.org) (192.190.237.100) by mta1 with SMTP; 11 Feb 2001 23:45:22 -0000 Received: from cowan by mercury.ccil.org with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14S6BV-0002FZ-00; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 18:45:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [lojban] RE: imaginary worlds and the death of God In-Reply-To: from Jorge Llambias at "Feb 11, 2001 04:45:50 pm" To: Jorge Llambias Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 18:45:37 -0500 (EST) Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: John Cowan From: John Cowan Jorge Llambias scripsit: > If God is omniscient then a deterministic universe is convenient, > for otherwise we would have to admit that God could be wrong in > His knowledge of the future. Foreknowledge, even perfect foreknowledge, doesn't imply causation. For example: I can hand you a sealed envelope and say "In this letter there are two choices given. I foreknow which of these you will choose, and to prove it, I will write it down here and seal it in this second envelope." You open the first envelope, choose one of the options, and then my envelope is checked. Sure enough, I know which option you chose. Option 1 said "Drink battery acid", option 2 said "Go to room 402 and collect a check for US$1 million." -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org One art/there is/no less/no more/All things/to do/with sparks/galore --Douglas Hofstadter