From graywyvern@hotmail.com Mon Feb 12 09:21:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: graywyvern@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_3); 12 Feb 2001 17:21:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 25294 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2001 17:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2001 17:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.184) by mta2 with SMTP; 12 Feb 2001 17:21:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:21:01 -0800 Received: from 209.176.48.57 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:21:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.176.48.57] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] RE: imaginary worlds etc. Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:21:01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2001 17:21:01.0806 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C1A78E0:01C09518] From: "michael helsem" >From: pycyn@aol.com li'o >What is relevant is whether I could choose to do >something different from what I do in fact do. CUXNA (choose/select x2 from set x3) seems to refer to an observable action, unless we want to postulate MENLI TE CUXNAs; (i would maintain TE CUXNA are created by an act of expression MU'E CUSKU, exclusion MU'E VIMCU, or definition MU'E SKICU). BRODA ZUKTE does not contain NA'EKE BRODA ZUKTE (pardon my negation, if this is incorrect usage) as far as i can see; & reasoning about such, depends on the context, even VA'O LE DRATA CUMKYMUNJE, if one is contrary enough... li'o >since we are not talking about physically possible worlds (some of them >have >different laws of physics, after all) but logically possible one, KI'ANAICAI! If you say LE BRODA CEI DRATA MUNJE CO CUMKI LE (TI) MUNJE LOGJI or LE DRATA MUNJE BEFI LE MUNJE (which begs the question less of what MUNJE LOGJI might mean--) then just maybe we can get somewhere... It still remains to be seen whether anything interesting can be said with these phrases. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com