From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Mon Feb 12 09:34:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_3); 12 Feb 2001 17:34:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 11166 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2001 17:34:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2001 17:34:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Feb 2001 18:35:37 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:18:13 +0000 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:34:22 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:34:10 +0000 To: cowan , "a.rosta" Cc: lojban Subject: Re: [lojban] RE:su'u Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: And Rosta #>>> John Cowan 02/10/01 06:03pm >>> #And Rosta scripsit: # #> Each sense has a definition -- "goes miaow" is part of the definition #> of 'cat'; "is married to Nora" is part of the definition of 'Lojbabhood'= . # #I can't swallow this. Surely a cat without a voice is still a cat, and #if Lojbab had never married Nora he would still be Lojbab. These can't #be *defining* properties. .oi. This was a message in reply to Lojbab in which I was trying to explain what I/we/the debate is/are on about. As opposed to actual debate with you & pc. I agree those aren't defining properties. I chose 'cat' because there's a consensus that it is a category/predicate but at the same time is hard to define (unlike, say, 'square'). 'Lojbab' is similarly hard to define. I just suggested the feature "married to Nora" in order to avoid the misunderstanding that the definition is "person/thing named _Lojbab_". #As you know, I hold that "cat" is not a category at all, but an individual= . No I don't know; please explain. I'll wait for your fuller explanation before I respond. --And.