From graywyvern@hotmail.com Mon Feb 12 11:14:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: graywyvern@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_3); 12 Feb 2001 19:14:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 39480 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2001 19:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2001 19:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.179) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Feb 2001 20:15:14 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:14:09 -0800 Received: from 209.176.48.22 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:14:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.176.48.22] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] More damn imaginary world stuff Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:14:08 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2001 19:14:09.0123 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9A8DB30:01C09527] From: "michael helsem" >From: Invent Yourself li'o > > physics > > involves a logical contradiction.> > > No. It may be that any deviation from the actual laws of physics (known >and > > unknown) is physically impoossible -- that no world could actually exist >in > > any other way -- but that is far from LOGICAL impossibility, that the >laws > > imply, in themselves, a contradiction. > > > >Are you saying that it is impossible that the laws of physics are arranged >such that any other arrangement requires a logical contradiction? Can you >show me an alternate arrangement that is logically consistent? Since we >don't have our complete picture yet, we are not yet sure if any other >alternate arrangements are logically possible. > IIRC, there was somebody who reformulated the existing "physical laws" according to INFORMATION rather than energy, in the 70's (i blush to admit i read this in Analog); being tautological & a pain in the gizzard to think in terms of, it never caught on: but this shows that another Physics than the one we know, is indeed possible in this same universe... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com