From lojbab@lojban.org Tue Feb 13 11:52:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_3); 13 Feb 2001 19:51:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 83828 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2001 19:51:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2001 19:51:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-1.cais.net) (205.252.14.71) by mta1 with SMTP; 13 Feb 2001 19:51:45 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (dynamic107.cl7.cais.net [205.177.20.107]) by stmpy-1.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f1DJphi63181; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:51:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010213144042.00add5e0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:55:17 -0500 To: pycyn@aol.com, lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] RE: Imaginary worlds (MORE VERBOSE)(but hoepfully cleaner) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 09:54 AM 02/11/2001 -0500, you wrote: >I really did try to get this to come over from Word in a readable way, but >Word seems to have a strange idea of what "text" is. Herewith another >version, hopefully cleaner -- next step is WordStar's ASCII. Given the way it is coming across, it looks like it is presuming HTML and not text. It is in a formatted font (which is thus not plain text), and somewhere in the message was an """. I am not likely to follow the philosophical stuff that this thread in producing, especially given the volume. But can I ask one clarifying question? Regardless of whatever imaginary world you may be considering, when you express an utterance it is evaluated in only one world which may be real or imaginary, right? A given statement is either true or false, things exist or they do not exist. Right? The problem with "imaginary worlds" is that merely posing them suggests to some people including myself, that the invocation of possible worlds invokes ALL possible worlds at once, so that therefore unicorns both exist and not exist at one time, and all truths dependent on the conditions and existences of the world are indeterminant (i.e. only logical contradictions are invalid). lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org