From Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de Thu Feb 15 14:46:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_3); 15 Feb 2001 22:45:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 70627 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2001 22:45:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2001 22:45:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ej.egroups.com) (10.1.10.49) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Feb 2001 22:45:55 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de Received: from [10.1.10.126] by ej.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2001 22:45:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 22:45:51 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: LotR opener & ramblings Message-ID: <96hm6v+o47m@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1232 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 193.149.49.79 From: "A.W.T." --- In lojban@y..., And Rosta wrote: > Elrond: > #On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Jay Kominek wrote: > #> One ring to rule them all, > #> One ring to find them, > #> One ring to bring them all, > #> and in the darkness bind them. > #> le pa djine se finti fi zu'o turni piro zo'e > #> .i le pa djine se finti fi zu'o facki piro zo'e > #> .i le pa djine se finti fi zu'o vizbei piro zo'e > #> .ije nenri fe le manku fa le pu'u rinju kei > # > # pa djine tefi'e zu'o turni ko'a goi roda > #.i pa djine tefi'e zu'o facki ra > #.i pa djine tefi'e zu'o vizbei ko'a > #.ije ne'i le manku tefi'e ralte ra > > Assuming the translation is from English, and ignoring > rhythm: > > pa djine be tefi'e loi nu turni ro ko'a > .i pa djine be tefi'e loi nu facki ko'a > .i pa djine be tefi'e loi nu vizbei ro ko'a > gi'e va'o le nu manku kei ralte ko'a Can't imagine that {be} is grammatical here like it's in e.g. {pa djine be lo solji/lo rijno/lo fagri etc.} {ro ko'a} doesn't seem bad {facki ko'a} will not work out the sense like {facki zi'o ko'a} might do; better: {tolcri ko'a} {gi'e *va'o* le nu manku} seems to be less natlang idiomatic than {ne'i/nenri le manku} or even {mankyne'i ralte ko'a} co'o mi'e .aulun.