From lojbab@lojban.org Fri Feb 16 19:02:00 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_3); 17 Feb 2001 03:01:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 38510 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2001 03:01:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2001 03:01:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-2.cais.net) (205.252.14.72) by mta3 with SMTP; 17 Feb 2001 04:03:04 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (ppp20.net-A.cais.net [205.252.61.20]) by stmpy-2.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f1H31up80897; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:01:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010216215932.00af0130@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:05:26 -0500 To: phma@oltronics.net, lojban@yahoogroups.com, Nick NICHOLAS Subject: Re: [lojban] nilbroda In-Reply-To: <01021620541401.20721@neofelis> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 08:51 PM 02/16/2001 -0500, Pierre Abbat wrote: >According to Chapter 12, the place structure of nilbroda is x1 is the >amount of >x2 brodaing x3 ... on scale xn, but according to both NORALUJV.txt and >lujvo-list, those nilbroda that have ni-places have both of them first. What's >right? Well, ideally Nick will raise his head and express an opinion, since he wrote the place structures AND he wrote the conventions that apparently differ from those place structures. Nora was reviewing place structures (hence the filename NORALUJV) for consistency with the book principles but had not reached any conclusions on anything, and she doesn't think she even got so far as the nil- words. She is inclined (and I agree) that the ni2 place is usually oblique and unnecessary enough that it should not go second, in which case putting it in the end per the book makes sense. The book also retains preeminence as a standard in case of doubt though the chapter 12 rules are merely preferred conventions and not requirements for the language. So barring comments from Nick, I would say the book rules should win over the lujvo list files. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org