From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sun Feb 18 15:02:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_3); 18 Feb 2001 23:02:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 77911 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2001 23:02:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2001 23:02:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.185) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Feb 2001 00:03:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 15:02:02 -0800 Received: from 200.41.247.51 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 23:02:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.51] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [lojban] RE:su'u Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 23:02:01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Feb 2001 23:02:02.0213 (UTC) FILETIME=[CDEF5150:01C099FE] From: "Jorge Llambias" la and cusku di'e >I may have proposed this at some point, but the proposal I remember was >to use "ckaji loi ckaji-zei-ortkut" (I forget how to make fu'ivla from >vowel-initials, so have made a lujvoid. Why In fact, you have made a proper lujvo, not a lujvoid. {zei} glues any word whatsoever into lujvo, including CMENE. {ka zei ortkut} would work even better, or possibly {ortkut zei selkai}. >I do, however, notice another problem. The contrast between: > >3a John (a zoologist) believes porpoises mate for life. >3b John (an ignoramus) believes porpoises are fish. > >can be captured be using "ro porpoise" for (3a) and something >like "lo se valsi be zo porpoise cu subcategory of the >category of fish" for (3b). > >But how could the similar contrast (4a-b) be captured? > >4a John (a conspiracy theorist) believes Margaret Thatcher is a man. >4b John (an ignoramus) believes George Eliot is a man. a) la djan krici le du'u da poi ckaji me la margrt tatcr cu nanmu b) la djan krici le du'u ko'a poi se cmene zo djordj eliot cu ninmu co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.