From lojbab@lojban.org Wed Feb 21 11:57:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 21 Feb 2001 19:57:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 42508 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2001 19:57:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2001 19:57:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-3.cais.net) (205.252.14.73) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Feb 2001 20:58:48 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (ppp40.net-A.cais.net [205.252.61.40]) by stmpy-3.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f1LJveV07895; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:57:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010221145922.00b0ff00@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:01:23 -0500 To: Nick Nicholas , lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] nilbroda In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010216215932.00af0130@127.0.0.1> <01021620541401.20721@neofelis> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 02:53 PM 02/19/2001 -0800, you wrote: > >At 08:51 PM 02/16/2001 -0500, Pierre Abbat wrote: > >>According to Chapter 12, the place structure of nilbroda is x1 is the > >>amount of > >>x2 brodaing x3 ... on scale xn, but according to both NORALUJV.txt and > >>lujvo-list, those nilbroda that have ni-places have both of them first. > >>What's > >>right? > >[Nora] is inclined (and I agree) that the ni2 > >place is usually oblique and unnecessary enough that it should not go > >second, in which case putting it in the end per the book makes sense. The > >book also retains preeminence as a standard in case of doubt though the > >chapter 12 rules are merely preferred conventions and not requirements for > >the language. So barring comments from Nick, I would say the book rules > >should win over the lujvo list files. > >*shrug* In cases like these, I put arguments like ni2 precisely because >introducing broda makes the place structure variadic, Where do you put them? >and it's good for >predictability to leave the open-ended places till last. (For the same >reason, I wanted the comparandum of traji to be x2, not x4.) But of course >the book takes priority, You wrote that particular section of the book, so I figured you would know why you wrote the convention oppositely from what you actually did. >and the places of the broda would indeed be more >important than the scale of quantification. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org