From rlpowell@csclub.uwaterloo.ca Wed Feb 21 22:51:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rlpowell@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 22 Feb 2001 06:51:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 59169 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2001 06:51:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2001 06:51:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca) (129.97.134.11) by mta2 with SMTP; 22 Feb 2001 06:51:26 -0000 Received: (from rlpowell@localhost) by calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id BAA14083; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 01:57:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 01:57:23 -0500 To: pycyn@aol.com Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] [u] Message-ID: <20010222015722.F5703@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Mail-Followup-To: pycyn@aol.com, lojban@yahoogroups.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from pycyn@aol.com on Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 10:26:40PM -0500 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 10:26:40PM -0500, pycyn@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/21/2001 8:17:19 PM Central Standard Time, > rlpowell@csclub.uwaterloo.ca writes: > > > > > I don't have my copy of the red book handy, but the online version has > > no explanation for the sound IPA [u] or the lojban letter 'u', AFAICT. > > Is this also true in the red book? > > > > > > Not in the part explaining IPA to English speakers and all it says otherwise > is "black close vowel""usually rounded". That seems like a fairly serious miss, dontcha think? > The double o in "food", not that of "book" (but after your years in > Canader, I not sure that will make a clear distinction -- close to > Eastern Canadian ou in "about" as done by comics and not a few other > indogenes. Italian or Spanish long u -- NOT French (their ou). I _did_ figure it out, but I'm not sure how. Probably from the dipthongs. -Robin -- http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~rlpowell/ BTW, I'm male, honest. Information wants to be free. Too bad most of it is crap. --RLP