From jjllambias@hotmail.com Thu Feb 22 16:06:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Feb 2001 00:05:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 70112 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2001 00:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2001 00:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.240.77) by mta2 with SMTP; 23 Feb 2001 00:05:58 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:05:58 -0800 Received: from 200.41.247.33 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 00:05:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.33] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] RE:names and senses and possible world and ol' Uncle Tom Cobbley (wordy) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 00:05:58 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2001 00:05:58.0498 (UTC) FILETIME=[6630F420:01C09D2C] From: "Jorge Llambias" Thanks pc for the clarifying summary! [...] > Summary: an individual per se has a logically proper name - rarely >pronounced, if ever - whose sense is the individual's vishesha (NOT a >property but a function across worlds). [...] >So, the line between what is >merely a fact about something or class and what is essential to its being >that thing or class is fuzzy at best I agree about the classes, but doesn't the same thing happen with individuals? If I say "If I were every man" then I need to consider a world where a lot of individuals of the real world are mapped into one. Or if I say "I wish I could be two different people at the same time" I need a world where my vishesha maps me into two individuals. So if visheshas can split and merge so easily, the line between what is an individual with a logically proper name and what isn't seems to be as fuzzy as for classes. Is it a problem to take individuals to be as conventional as classes? co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.