From robin@xxxxxxx.xxx.xxx Thu Apr 1 10:50:32 1999
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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 21:50:32 +0300
From: Robin Turner <robin@xxxxxxx.xxx.xxx
Subject: Re: Restrictive phrases, etc., ...

la sidirait. cusku di'e

> OK, so using the restrictive clause type thingies,
> I can say ...
>
> mi puzi tcidu le cukta poi ke'a cpana le jubme
> I/we recently read the book,
> which is the thing upon the table.
>
> and
>
> le cukta poi ke'a cpana le jubme ku'o barda
> the book, which is the thing on the table, is big.
>
> Yes?
>
> Now, avoiding the restrictive phrases, where do I put
> the tenses? How would I say these in a more directly
> lojbanic manner?
>

How about, for the first one:

mi puzi tcidu le cukta pe ca tu'i le jubme

or (and I'm not sure about this)

puziku mi tcidu le cavi jubme cukta

That, even if it is grammatical, means that it is a here-and-now
table-type-of book, rather than specifically a book which is on the table
now; it is to avoid this vagueness that relative clauses are sometimes
required.

The second one seems a bit easier:

le cukta pe vi le jubme cu barda

or even perhaps

le vi jubme cukta cu barda

co'o mi'e robin.