From xod@sixgirls.org Fri Mar 02 18:06:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@erika.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 3 Mar 2001 02:06:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 33387 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2001 02:06:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 3 Mar 2001 02:06:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO erika.sixgirls.org) (209.208.150.50) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 Mar 2001 03:07:26 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by erika.sixgirls.org (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2326LX00150 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 21:06:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 21:06:20 -0500 (EST) To: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Meaningless talk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself On Fri, 2 Mar 2001 pycyn@aol.com wrote: > Oh, the discussion wasn't *that* bad. The repetition of {gerna flalu) on one > side and {pilno} on the other gave that away (it helps they are words I > know). The transitions were harder and I am still not too clear on how you > got from my philosophic pabulum, "A sentence is meaningful just in case there > is a test to determine whether it is true" to the langue-parole part (what > gets tested, apparently). The pabulum, exciting as it was in the 20's and > even in the 50's (and Carnap was still working with it in 1960), never really > had much of a chance: when it got rid of theology, it got rid of theoretical > physics, and when physics was gotten back in, theology came along. And then, > as xorxes noted, there was the inevitable problem of all philosophic > absolutes, the statement that embodied it (see above) is meaningless by the > criterion it lays down, i.e., it is untestable. (Nagarjuna rules!) mi talsa do'o le pu'u cipra le ka morsi ra mi frasku fu le do sevzi cipra selcpedu fe le si'o le flalu cu selstidi skicu le xamgu seltra .i fy. na selzgana fatci tu'a le mulno .iseni'ibo na mapti le li'i cipra mi to'e cpatu'i le si'o co'u flalu ----- We do not like And if a cat those Rs and Ds, needed a hat? Who can't resist Free enterprise more subsidies. is there for that!