From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sat Mar 03 10:34:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 3 Mar 2001 18:34:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 66255 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2001 18:34:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2001 18:34:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.128) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 Mar 2001 19:35:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 10:34:20 -0800 Received: from 200.41.247.45 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 03 Mar 2001 18:34:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.45] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Meaningless talk Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 18:34:19 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Mar 2001 18:34:20.0025 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F7EAE90:01C0A410] From: "Jorge Llambias" la xod cusku di'e >.i mi co'a krefu cusku jy. noi nabmi .i da'o ru'a le satci bangu goi ko'a >.i le bangu tcaci goi ko'e .i da poi jufra zo'u xusra be fa ko bei le du'u >da >smuni kakne be'o jo cumki fa le du'u da smuni kakne ci'e ko'a Ok, first I interpret that you meant to write {ro da poi jufra} instead of {da poi jufra}. Otherwise your claim is too trivial, "there is at least one sentence such that...". I assume you want to make a universal claim. In English you can say "a sentence is meaningful when..." meaning "for every sentence x, x is meaningful when...", but in Lojban this English "a" must be translated as {ro}. Secondly, the selbri of your sentence is very hard to interpret if taken literally. You have one sumti {le du'u da smuni kakne ci'e ko'a} and one very complex selbri claimed about that sumti: {xusra be fa ko bei le du'u da smuni kakne be'o jo cumki}. To me it is fairly obvious that you meant to have two sentences joined by {ijo}, but you wrote one selbri applied to one sumti. (And in your previous version you had two sumti occupying the same x1 place of one selbri. So in my interpretation so far you meant: ro da poi jufra zo'u ko xusra le du'u da smuni kakne ijo cumki fa le du'u da smuni kakne ci'e ko'a But it is impossible for me to take the command literally or I would be asserting things from here to eternity. So, if I understand correctly what you _meant_ to say, you are saying things that are meaningless by your own standards. i mi xenru le nu mi na spuda bau le lojbo i le nu tavla fi la lojban fo la lojban cu dukse le ka nandu mi co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.