From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sat Mar 03 12:54:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 3 Mar 2001 20:54:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 62653 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2001 20:54:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2001 20:54:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.240.134) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 Mar 2001 21:55:16 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 12:54:11 -0800 Received: from 200.41.210.5 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 03 Mar 2001 20:54:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.210.5] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: ca'e Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 20:54:11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Mar 2001 20:54:11.0705 (UTC) FILETIME=[19536E90:01C0A424] From: "Jorge Llambias" la pycyn cusku di'e >{ca'e} is an evidential, meaning "on the evidence of my definition" or >however you want to put it. In particular, it does not *claim* something >as >a definition any more than {za'a} means that I am seeing it now. I'm never sure how to make any sense of {ca'e}. By definition of what? If I say: ca'e ro mlatu cu danlu By definition, every cat is an animal. Does that speak to the definition of {mlatu}? of {danlu}? of both? of neither? Is it a statement about cats and animals or about the words "mlatu" or "danlu"? Does the statement (in Lojban) have any meaning? co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.