From pycyn@aol.com Sat Mar 03 17:58:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 4 Mar 2001 01:58:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 44011 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2001 01:58:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2001 01:58:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r17.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.71) by mta3 with SMTP; 4 Mar 2001 02:59:20 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.f8.7ce25cc (664) for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 20:57:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 20:57:58 EST Subject: Re: [lojban] ca'e To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f8.7ce25cc.27d2fb26_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 From: pycyn@aol.com --part1_f8.7ce25cc.27d2fb26_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/3/2001 2:55:10 PM Central Standard Time,=20 jjllambias@hotmail.com writes: > =A0=A0 By definition, every cat is an animal. >=20 Does that speak to the definition of {mlatu}? of {danlu}? > of both? of neither? Is it a statement about cats and animals > or about the words "mlatu" or "danlu"? Does the statement > (in Lojban) have any meaning?> >=20 The answers are mostly "yes" (Only "neither?" gets a "no") The next to the= =20 last is that the statement is about cats and animals says that all of the=20 former are also among the latter. The {ca'e} merely places the source of=20 your confidence in that claim in your understanding of relevant definitions= ,=20 rather than, say, close and repeated observations or a wild guess. Note=20 that, if you really based your claim on close and repeated observations but= =20 said {ca'e} anyhow, the claim would still be true, though you might be=20 accused of being misleading or, perhaps, even of lying. --part1_f8.7ce25cc.27d2fb26_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/3/2001 2:55:10 PM Central Standard Time,=20
jjllambias@hotmail.com writes:



<ca'e ro mlatu cu danl= u
=A0=A0 By definition, every cat is an animal.




Does that speak to the definition of {mlatu}? of {danlu}?

of both? of neither? Is i= t a statement about cats and animals
or about the words "mlatu" or "danlu"? Does the statement
(in Lojban) have any meaning?>



The answers are mostly "yes" (Only "neither?" gets a "no")  The ne= xt to the=20
last is that the statement is about cats and animals says that all of t= he=20
former are also among the latter.  The {ca'e} merely places the so= urce of=20
your confidence in that claim in your understanding of relevant definit= ions,=20
rather than, say, close and repeated observations or a wild guess. &nbs= p;Note=20
that, if you really based your claim on close and repeated observations= but=20
said {ca'e} anyhow, the claim would still be true, though you might be= =20
accused of being misleading or, perhaps, even of lying. --part1_f8.7ce25cc.27d2fb26_boundary--