From pycyn@aol.com Sat Mar 03 17:58:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 4 Mar 2001 01:58:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 67237 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2001 01:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2001 01:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r18.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.72) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Mar 2001 01:58:29 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.23.834fad1 (664) for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 20:58:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <23.834fad1.27d2fb28@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 20:58:00 EST Subject: Re: [lojban] ca'e To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_23.834fad1.27d2fb28_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 From: pycyn@aol.com --part1_23.834fad1.27d2fb28_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/3/2001 3:58:27 PM Central Standard Time, graywyvern@hotmail.com writes: > >I'm never sure how to make any sense of {ca'e}. > > i use it to mean something like: "i define..." or "i posit..."; > i.e. to introduce a term or a premise to be argued from, or to > make an assertion without nesting it inside XUSRA. > > i don't think it can be used to "prove" anything. > Hell, it can't even be used to assert anything; it just gives your bona fides for some assertion. So it can be used to postulate things either (or {ru'a} can't, at least officially -- are we about to do a using odd grammar to fill a need here?) In any case, none of these guys, UI2, can do duty for {xusra} or any other brivla (one of the oldest screw-ups in theLoglan/Lojban book). --part1_23.834fad1.27d2fb28_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/3/2001 3:58:27 PM Central Standard Time,
graywyvern@hotmail.com writes:



>I'm never sure how to make any sense of {ca'e}.

i use it to mean something like: "i define..." or "i posit...";
i.e. to introduce a term or a premise to be argued from, or to
make an assertion without nesting it inside XUSRA.

i don't think it can be used to "prove" anything.



Hell, it can't even be used to assert anything; it just gives your bona fides
for some assertion.  So it can be used to postulate things either (or {ru'a}
can't, at least officially -- are we about to do a using odd grammar to fill
a need here?)  In any case, none of these guys, UI2, can do duty for {xusra}
or any other brivla (one of the oldest screw-ups in theLoglan/Lojban book).
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