From rlpowell@csclub.uwaterloo.ca Tue Mar 13 12:00:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rlpowell@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 13 Mar 2001 20:00:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 94276 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2001 20:00:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2001 20:00:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca) (129.97.134.11) by mta3 with SMTP; 13 Mar 2001 21:01:10 -0000 Received: (from rlpowell@localhost) by calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id PAA26794 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:06:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:06:45 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] I almost caught the train Message-ID: <20010313150645.J12066@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com References: <20010313145301.F12066@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from xod@sixgirls.org on Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 02:53:54PM -0500 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 02:53:54PM -0500, Invent Yourself wrote: > On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > > So you are, in fact, wrong: pu'o _absolutely_ implies that the event did not > > take place. > > > pu'o implies that the event did not take place YET! We are, in the context > of missed trains and averted fights, asking if pu'o means the event EVER > takes place. > > I thought before, incorrectly, that pu'o implies the event actually does > (will) take place. Jorge and pc corrected me. Now I assert that pu'o > should not be taken to imply anything about whether or not the event ever > occurs; only that it seems likely to. I believe this is what Jorge and pc > tried to convey. Am I right all all around? Ah. Sorry, came in late. I agree: it implies nothing about whether the event ever occurs. You could certainly clear it up using ze'eba pu'o, though. -Robin -- http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~rlpowell/ BTW, I'm male, honest. Information wants to be free. Too bad most of it is crap. --RLP