From jjllambias@hotmail.com Tue Mar 13 13:45:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 13 Mar 2001 21:45:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 56472 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2001 21:44:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2001 21:44:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.22) by mta3 with SMTP; 13 Mar 2001 22:45:08 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:44:03 -0800 Received: from 200.41.247.51 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:44:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.51] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] I almost caught the train Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:44:03 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2001 21:44:03.0524 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8B84840:01C0AC06] From: "Jorge Llambias" la xod cusku di'e >If I pause my retelling of a story at the time right before >a fight appears to break out, I don't see why my listeners should assume >anything about whether or not the fight actually occurs. They shouldn't. On the other hand, if you tell me "you know, this morning Peter and Paul were on the verge of fighting when the bell rang", then I will probably assume that the fighting did not occur. Why? Because if it had occured, the information you are giving me is fairly irrelevant, you would have told me that they fought, not that they were on the verge. It is nothing more than an assumption, of course, based on the further assumption that your purpose in telling me what you tell me is more than just uttering true but uninformative or misleading statements. I will assume that you are telling me the most relevant fact about their fighting, and if being on the verge is the most relevant then they probably did not actually fight. co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.