From rlpowell@csclub.uwaterloo.ca Thu Mar 15 17:44:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rlpowell@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 16 Mar 2001 01:44:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 42092 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2001 01:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2001 01:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca) (129.97.134.11) by mta3 with SMTP; 16 Mar 2001 02:45:38 -0000 Received: (from rlpowell@localhost) by calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id UAA04152 for lojban@onelist.com; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:51:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:51:19 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Some questions Message-ID: <20010315205119.I29369@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@onelist.com References: <20010315204417.G29369@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from biomass@hobbiton.org on Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 07:40:32PM -0600 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell On Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 07:40:32PM -0600, Avital Oliver wrote: > > > On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 07:28:07PM -0600, Avital Oliver wrote: > > > b) After starting to teach Lojban to some friends, they all shouted out > > > that "This goddamn 'y' letter is all fucked-up. It sounds too close to > > > either a or e". I live in Israel, and Israeli speak in a european accent > > > (which I understood is the 'best' way to pronounce Lojban). 'a' is NOT > > > pronounced as in 'ball', but in a 'higher' way. It makes 'a' sound very > > > close to 'y'. > > > > Then you are _SO_ pronouncing 'y' wrong. Pretend you've just had severe > > braindamage and you're moaning and drooling. That noise is a 'y'. > > > > > > > > I know how to pronounce a 'y'. And I (thought) I knew how to pronounce an > 'a'. I think I'll record myself tomorrow and send it to you. Then see what > you have to say. Note that I was mostly joking. And I meant to post to the list. 8P It turns out to be a basic principle of developmental psychology that people raised to speak any given language will find some sounds in other languages indistinguishable. -Robin -- http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~rlpowell/ BTW, I'm male, honest. Information wants to be free. Too bad most of it is crap. --RLP