From lojbab@lojban.org Sat Mar 17 04:16:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 17 Mar 2001 12:16:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 32241 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2001 12:16:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2001 12:16:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-3.cais.net) (205.252.14.73) by mta1 with SMTP; 17 Mar 2001 12:16:45 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (ppp11.net-A.cais.net [205.252.61.11]) by stmpy-3.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2HCGia55260 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 07:16:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010317070949.00bb2c20@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 07:18:21 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Train catching ut nunc In-Reply-To: <20010316195903.A1386@twcny.rr.com> References: <20010315023042.G27942@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 07:59 PM 03/16/2001 -0500, Rob Speer wrote: >On Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 11:29:17PM -0500, Invent Yourself wrote: > > > How the hell _DO_ you talk about the selma'o in lojban text, anyways? > > > 'CAhA' is, of course, not a valid lojban word. Yes, but "ca'a" is, and the selma'o is equally "ca'a" as "CAhA". The latter is a written convention to have it stand out from the word, and of course to foil the UNIX/YACC restriction on asterisks. But in a place structure that holds a selma'o by definition, there should be no confusion in using a cmavo name that is also a selma'o name. > le do pu tadji cu banzu .i le selma'o poi do pu djica cu selcmene zo ca'a >But then how do you express a selma'o like 'UI4'? zoui xivo if you feel a need for the subscript, which is not technically part of the selma'o name, but is a sorting convention for the benefit of wordlist makers. > {le cmavo be lo'u ui vo >le'u}? I see no other way of quoting a selma'o made of more than one Lojban >word than by using the error quote. lu ui xi vo li'u if you want to include the subscript in the quote, which seems reasonable. >And what if it was {le cmavo be lo'u pa vo >le'u}? paxivo works. So would papi'evo and paboivo if it didn't. >Would you use 'zei' to achieve this? {le ui zei vo zei selma'o} > >I won't even ask about the asterisks... tarci bu lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org