From lojbab@lojban.org Sat Mar 17 04:22:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 17 Mar 2001 12:22:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 48766 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2001 12:22:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 17 Mar 2001 12:22:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-2.cais.net) (205.252.14.72) by mta3 with SMTP; 17 Mar 2001 13:23:25 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (ppp11.net-A.cais.net [205.252.61.11]) by stmpy-2.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2HCMJv11757 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 07:22:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010317071947.00c15990@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 07:23:56 -0500 To: Subject: Re: [lojban] Some questions In-Reply-To: <004c01c0aea3$ce837d80$399a0418@hmpt1.va.home.com> References: <3AB17AF7.503F@erols.com> <3AB29D2C.D6E@erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 12:33 AM 03/17/2001 -0500, Gary Burgess wrote: >As one who was there while the phonology of Lojban was devised, I remember >discussing the [y] phoneme/grapheme. > >What we said at the time was that [y] could really be pronounced with any >vowel that was not in the "canonical" set (i.e. not the Italian a, e, i, o, >or u). I think you misremember, Gary. You are describing the consonant buffer, which can be any vowel not of the other 6. >I have used the ae (a as in English apple), or the Russian ery, but I >recommend the German u-umlaut to pronounce the [y] on the theory that if >[y] were harder for English speakers to pronounce, it would be less used. This convinces me that you think we are talking about the buffer. y, on the other hand is the 'glue' that joins lujvo together that have mismatched juncture, which JCB called a "hyphen" when he added it. But I'm glad you're awake. Nice that one other person of the original 4 revolutionaries reads the group %^) lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org