From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sat Mar 17 07:40:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 17 Mar 2001 15:40:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 70153 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2001 15:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2001 15:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.94) by mta2 with SMTP; 17 Mar 2001 15:40:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 07:40:01 -0800 Received: from 200.41.210.20 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 15:40:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.210.20] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Some questions Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 15:40:00 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2001 15:40:01.0182 (UTC) FILETIME=[875263E0:01C0AEF8] From: "Jorge Llambias" la ivAn cusku di'e >I'd have expected {j}, which is a good deal less common, >to be by far the most problematic fragment in Lojban phonology >(how do Israelis handle it?), being followed perhaps by the phonemic >distinction between {x} and {'}. The c/j and s/z distinctions can be problematic for Spanish speakers, I remember it took me some time to learn them when I was learning Esperanto. But I was able to finally incorporate them as phonemes. Vowels somehow are different (I think I read somewhere once that a different part of the brain is involved, I don't know if that has anything to do with it). I can produce the sound of {y}, but it takes a special conscious effort every time, it seems I can't incorporate it as a distinct phoneme. co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.