From rlpowell@csclub.uwaterloo.ca Sat Mar 17 16:39:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rlpowell@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 00:39:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 76581 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 00:39:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 00:39:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca) (129.97.134.11) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 01:40:50 -0000 Received: (from rlpowell@localhost) by calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id TAA20311 for lojban@onelist.com; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 19:46:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 19:46:32 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Random lojban questions/annoyances. Message-ID: <20010317194632.B29369@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell 1. Is there a word in lojban for modal? 2. Is there a word for 'with', as opposed to 'without' (claxu)? Obviously na claxu works, but .oisairo'e 3. On pg. 263 in the Red Book, section 11.7, we find the wonderful phrase, referring to djuno: 7.4) mi djuno le du'u la frank. cu bebna [kei] I know the predication that Frank is a fool. Now we have it. Note that the implied assertion ``Frank is a fool'' is not a property of ``le du'u'' abstraction, but of ``djuno''; we can only know what is in fact true. (As a result, ``djuno'' like ``jei'' has a place for epistemology, which specifies how we know.) The idea that 'we can only know what is in fact true.' seems patently ridiculous. How does lojban handle proving someone wrong, then? -Robin -- http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~rlpowell/ BTW, I'm male, honest. Information wants to be free. Too bad most of it is crap. --RLP