From rlpowell@csclub.uwaterloo.ca Sun Mar 18 11:30:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rlpowell@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 19:30:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 85978 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 19:30:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 19:30:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca) (129.97.134.11) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 19:29:55 -0000 Received: (from rlpowell@localhost) by calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id OAA04633 for lojban@onelist.com; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:36:43 -0500 (EST) Resent-Message-Id: <200103181936.OAA04633@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:52:46 -0500 To: John Cowan Subject: Re: [lojban] Random lojban questions/annoyances. Message-ID: <20010317205246.G29369@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> References: <20010317194632.B29369@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from cowan@mercury.ccil.org on Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 08:43:14PM -0500 Resent-From: rlpowell@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:36:43 -0500 Resent-To: lojban@onelist.com X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell On Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 08:43:14PM -0500, John Cowan wrote: > Robin Lee Powell scripsit: > > > The idea that 'we can only know what is in fact true.' seems patently > > ridiculous. How does lojban handle proving someone wrong, then? > > This is not about Lojban, but about what knowledge is. > > If I say that George knows that Frank went to the store, and then > it turns out that Frank didn't go to the store, then I will say > that George did *not* know that. And I would say that he _knew_ that, but he was worng, and hopefully now knows better. In fact, the phrase 'he knows better' is in contradiction with your point of view on knowledge. -Robin -- http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~rlpowell/ BTW, I'm male, honest. Information wants to be free. Too bad most of it is crap. --RLP