From cowan@ccil.org Sun Mar 18 12:27:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cowan@mercury.ccil.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 20:27:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 94049 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 20:27:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 20:27:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.ccil.org) (192.190.237.100) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 21:28:07 -0000 Received: from cowan by mercury.ccil.org with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14ejly-0003ch-00; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:27:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [lojban] Random lojban questions/annoyances. In-Reply-To: <20010317205246.G29369@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> from Robin Lee Powell at "Mar 17, 2001 08:52:46 pm" To: Robin Lee Powell Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:27:30 -0500 (EST) Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: John Cowan From: John Cowan Robin Lee Powell scripsit: > And I would say that he _knew_ that, but he was worng, and hopefully now > knows better. In fact, the phrase 'he knows better' is in contradiction > with your point of view on knowledge. Not at all. Consider: John says the earth is flat. How absurd! He knows better than that. entails that John knows (whatever he says) that the Earth is not flat, which entails, indeed, that the Earth is not flat. Would you say "Aristotle knew that the Earth was the center of the universe"? I would instead say that Aristotle *believed* etc. but that we know it is not. (It is not sufficient, for a belief to count as knowledge, that it be true, but it is necessary.) -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org One art/there is/no less/no more/All things/to do/with sparks/galore --Douglas Hofstadter