From rlpowell@csclub.uwaterloo.ca Sun Mar 18 19:55:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rlpowell@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 03:55:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 43960 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 03:55:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 03:55:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca) (129.97.134.11) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 03:55:55 -0000 Received: (from rlpowell@localhost) by calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id XAA19713 for lojban@onelist.com; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:02:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:02:43 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Knowledge (was: Random lojban questions/annoyances Message-ID: <20010318230243.X3953@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@onelist.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jjllambias@hotmail.com on Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 03:49:23AM +0000 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 03:49:23AM +0000, Jorge Llambias wrote: > > la camgusmis cusku di'e > >Given: > > > >la stiv djuno le du'u do cribe > > > >and assuming you are not a (Koala) bear, how do you correct the speaker, > >since the speaker has, by definition, stated a truth, since djuno can > >only talk about truths! > > How do you correct a speaker who states {jetnu fa le du'u do cribe}? > > It is the same situation. Neither the use of {djuno} nor of {jetnu} > entails that the speaker is stating a truth. Umm, but that's not what the book says. It specifically says that we cannot know (djuno) anything that is not true. That sounds like the use of djuno entails that the speaker is stating a truth to me. -Robin -- http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~rlpowell/ BTW, I'm male, honest. Information wants to be free. Too bad most of it is crap. --RLP