From rlpowell@csclub.uwaterloo.ca Sun Mar 18 20:08:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rlpowell@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 04:08:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 63722 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 04:08:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 04:08:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca) (129.97.134.11) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 04:08:19 -0000 Received: (from rlpowell@localhost) by calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id XAA19984 for lojban@onelist.com; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:15:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:15:07 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Knowledge (was: Random lojban questions/annoyances Message-ID: <20010318231506.B3953@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@onelist.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jjllambias@hotmail.com on Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 04:06:23AM +0000 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 04:06:23AM +0000, Jorge Llambias wrote: > > la camgusmis cusku di'e > > > > It is the same situation. Neither the use of {djuno} nor of > > > {jetnu} entails that the speaker is stating a truth. > > > >Umm, but that's not what the book says. It specifically says that we > >cannot know (djuno) anything that is not true. > > And neither can anything that is not true be {jetnu}. How is that > different. > > Truths can be {jetnu} and {se djuno}. > > Non-truths cannot be {jetnu} or {se djuno}. > > People are allowed to make mistakes and believe, until corrected, that > non-truths are {jetnu} or {se djuno}. > > I don't see what the difference is. > > >That sounds like the use of djuno entails that the speaker is stating > >a truth to me. > > Not to me. Only that the speaker believes to be stating a truth. Ah. You and I apparently interpret the section of the book in question differently. I am happy to accept your interpretation, assuming that it it what was intended. Mr. Cowan? -Robin -- http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~rlpowell/ BTW, I'm male, honest. Information wants to be free. Too bad most of it is crap. --RLP