From rlpowell@csclub.uwaterloo.ca Sun Mar 18 20:15:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rlpowell@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 04:15:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 69325 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 04:15:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 04:15:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca) (129.97.134.11) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 04:15:04 -0000 Received: (from rlpowell@localhost) by calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id XAA20184 for lojban@onelist.com; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:21:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:21:52 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Knowledge (was: Random lojban questions/annoyances Message-ID: <20010318232152.F3953@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@onelist.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from xod@sixgirls.org on Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 10:37:25PM -0500 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell On Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 10:37:25PM -0500, Invent Yourself wrote: > On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Jorge Llambias wrote: > > > la xod cusku di'e > > > > >Hence, the English "know" reflects the beliefs of every speaker that > > >transmits the fact. > > > > So does the phrase "it is true that ..." > > > > >Do we want this rather strange, intransitive (?) > > >behavior in Lojban too? > > > > Why strange? > > > > Because I can't objectively report on Steve's knowledge without adding my > own interpretation into it. That makes the meaning of my use of > "knowledge" reflect the sum of my opinions + Steve's opinions. Shouldn't I > be able to say "Steve djuno you are a Koala Bear", even if we know (feel) > he's wrong? Yes, you should. 8) Nice to know _someone_ agrees with me. -Robin -- http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~rlpowell/ BTW, I'm male, honest. Information wants to be free. Too bad most of it is crap. --RLP