Subject: Re: [lojban] Knowledge (was: Random lojban questions/annoyances

From: Invent Yourself <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:02:18 -0500 (EST)

On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Jorge Llambias wrote:

>
>
> la xod cusku di'e
>
> > > Why strange?
> >
> >Because I can't objectively report on Steve's knowledge without adding my
> >own interpretation into it.
>
> You can report on his knowledge, but you wouldn't call "knowledge"
> his mistaken beliefs, even if he does call it knowledge. Just as
> you don't call them truths even though he does call them truths.
>
> >That makes the meaning of my use of
> >"knowledge" reflect the sum of my opinions + Steve's opinions. Shouldn't I
> >be able to say "Steve djuno you are a Koala Bear", even if we know (feel)
> >he's wrong?
>
> So you want {djuno} to be synonimous with {jinvi} or with {birti}?
> Why have the word at all?

birti seems like malglico, subsumable under jinvi. But why bother djuno,
since it is only a superposition of krici + tugni?

> >Is there any other Lojban word that automatically inserts the judgements
> >of every narrator?
>
> Every single Lojban word automatically inserts the judgments of
> the narrator. Which word doesn't?

krici doesn't. It reports on the objective facts. So does tugni. But djuno
sneaks the narrator's biases in there quietly.

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