From xod@sixgirls.org Sun Mar 18 20:25:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@shiva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 04:25:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 91738 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 04:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 04:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO shiva.sixgirls.org) (206.252.141.232) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 04:25:19 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by shiva.sixgirls.org (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2J42Iu10191 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:02:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:02:18 -0500 (EST) To: Subject: Re: [lojban] Knowledge (was: Random lojban questions/annoyances In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Jorge Llambias wrote: > > > la xod cusku di'e > > > > Why strange? > > > >Because I can't objectively report on Steve's knowledge without adding my > >own interpretation into it. > > You can report on his knowledge, but you wouldn't call "knowledge" > his mistaken beliefs, even if he does call it knowledge. Just as > you don't call them truths even though he does call them truths. > > >That makes the meaning of my use of > >"knowledge" reflect the sum of my opinions + Steve's opinions. Shouldn't I > >be able to say "Steve djuno you are a Koala Bear", even if we know (feel) > >he's wrong? > > So you want {djuno} to be synonimous with {jinvi} or with {birti}? > Why have the word at all? birti seems like malglico, subsumable under jinvi. But why bother djuno, since it is only a superposition of krici + tugni? > >Is there any other Lojban word that automatically inserts the judgements > >of every narrator? > > Every single Lojban word automatically inserts the judgments of > the narrator. Which word doesn't? krici doesn't. It reports on the objective facts. So does tugni. But djuno sneaks the narrator's biases in there quietly. ----- We do not like And if a cat those Rs and Ds, needed a hat? Who can't resist Free enterprise more subsidies. is there for that!