From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sun Mar 18 20:43:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 04:43:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 62078 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 04:43:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 04:43:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.167) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 05:44:31 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:43:26 -0800 Received: from 200.41.210.17 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 04:43:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.210.17] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Knowledge (was: Random lojban questions/annoyances Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 04:43:26 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2001 04:43:26.0413 (UTC) FILETIME=[23092FD0:01C0B02F] From: "Jorge Llambias" la xod cusku di'e > > So you want {djuno} to be synonimous with {jinvi} or with {birti}? > > Why have the word at all? > >birti seems like malglico, subsumable under jinvi. But some opinions are held with more certainty than others, {birti} is useful to make that distinction. >But why bother djuno, >since it is only a superposition of krici + tugni? krici + jetnu really. {ko'a djuno ko'e} => {ko'a krici ko'e} & {ko'e jetnu}. But Lojban gismu are not supposed to be a minimal set. There are many superpositions that occur often or were considered useful for some reason. > > Every single Lojban word automatically inserts the judgments of > > the narrator. Which word doesn't? > >krici doesn't. It certainly does. If you say that A believes B you are making a judgment. >It reports on the objective facts. So does tugni. But djuno >sneaks the narrator's biases in there quietly. I don't see any special bias sneaking in with djuno. Nothing that doesn't sneak in with jetnu. co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.