From swiftrain@GEOCITIES.COM Sun Mar 18 21:04:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: swiftrain@geocities.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 05:04:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 84866 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 05:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 05:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chmls05.mediaone.net) (24.147.1.143) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 05:04:06 -0000 Received: from geocities.com (h002078d5b1ce.ne.mediaone.net [66.30.64.193]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2J545x21718 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 00:04:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AB590DF.F9F8D3E1@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:53:51 -0500 Organization: love X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] The Dvorak of Lojban? References: <3AB57BB0.20509@Rose-Hulman.Edu> <20010318223020.T3953@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <01031822495700.04993@neofelis> <20010318230459.Z3953@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: SwiftRain Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > Would anyone be annoyed/find it confusing if some people used h > instead of ' in the same way that some people drop . in written > lojban? I find it equally easy to read text with h and text with '. The only reason why I prefer ' is because it makes Lojban look like Hawaiian and I think that's cool. OTOH, I see absolutely no reason to drop the full stops. I'm suspicious that the people who do that aren't pronouncing them when they talk -- it took me a while to get used to saying it but now it feels to me like a sound in the language, not just a tacked on requirement. I often pronounce it as a glottal stop, especially in the very common (in my Lojban anyway) combination: .i + cinmo valsi (".i .au ko klama"). I don't think it would have ever felt natural to me to say the .s if I didn't write them. I have no problem reading Lojban with the .s removed, but it reads to me like Lojban with the Es removed. I don't see the point. At least it seems that no one has taken to invoking both of the standard heresies simultaneously .. I would feel rather ohocuhi about that. My personal preferences aside, however, I think everyone should do whatever selglekies them and I'll keep it to myself. I have no problem reading any style. As far as the most efficient typing style/keyboard for Lojban, I don't know about y'all, but my typing speed in Lojban is atrocious, but it has nothing to do with my keyboard (dvorak layout btw, and yes we are smarter than the rest of you, sorry). I spend more time checking my text and looking up place structures & cmavo that I'm not sure of than I do actually typing text. Once I get up to stream-of-consciousness Lojban, I'll let y'all know my feeling about lojbanic keyboard layouts in rollicking free-form paragraphs. .u'i mi'e bret.