From jcowan@reutershealth.com Mon Mar 19 09:10:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 17:10:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 91133 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 17:10:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 17:10:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.reutershealth.com) (204.243.9.36) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 17:10:05 -0000 Received: from reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@[192.168.3.11]) by mail.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/0.0.0) with ESMTP id MAA11868; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:12:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AB63DC7.20908@reutershealth.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:11:35 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i686; en-US; 0.8) Gecko/20010215 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bob@RATTLESNAKE.COM Cc: rlpowell@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca, lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Knowledge (was: Random lojban questions/annoyances References: <20010319010536.K3953@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Cowan Robert J. Chassell wrote: > Hence, it is reasonable to say that in Aristotle's and Ptolemy's > universe of discourse, they `knew' that the Earth was the unmoving > center of everything. But I note you still find it necessary to put "knew" in scare quotes, indicating that you are not using the word quite in its ordinary sense. In its ordinary sense, Aristotle and Ptolemy had incorrect beliefs, not knowledge. We may not be able to say with 100% reliability what is knowledge, but we can easily say what is not, and retroactively what was not. -- There is / one art || John Cowan no more / no less || http://www.reutershealth.com to do / all things || http://www.ccil.org/~cowan with art- / lessness \\ -- Piet Hein