From lojbab@lojban.org Mon Mar 19 10:12:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 18:12:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 76754 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 18:12:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 18:12:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-2.cais.net) (205.252.14.72) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 18:12:29 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (135.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.56.135]) by stmpy-2.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2JICRv78486 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:12:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010319131250.00c02230@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:16:02 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Random lojban questions/annoyances. In-Reply-To: <20010318183938.H3953@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 06:39 PM 03/18/2001 -0500, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > I don't see any philosophy behind this, it doesn't even touch > > the question of what is true or what can be known, it only > > relates to the question of what {djuno} or "knows" mean. > >I'll go with that, although I'm not sure I agree. So, we have: > > djuno jun ju'o know > x1 knows fact(s) x2 (du'u) about subject x3 by > epistemology x4 > >Now, since this is, as far as I am aware, the only official definition, we >need >to use and english dictionary for 'knows': Nope. If y'all are going to insist that djuno makes a distinction between "to be >aware of the truth or factuality of" and "be convinced or certain of", >you're going to need to rewrite the definiton, because that is _not_ >what the current definition says. The current definition being in >English, the meanings of the english words must be used. The current definition is NOT a single word, and the whole must be used to get the meaning. There MUST be an epistemology, which COULD be belief. But I can "know" something by one epistemology and "know" the exact opposite by a different epistemology, in Lojban. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org