From rlpowell@csclub.uwaterloo.ca Mon Mar 19 11:00:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rlpowell@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 19:00:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 95627 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 19:00:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 19:00:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca) (129.97.134.11) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 19:00:25 -0000 Received: (from rlpowell@localhost) by calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id OAA04836 for lojban@onelist.com; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:07:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:07:04 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Random lojban questions/annoyances. Message-ID: <20010319140704.T3953@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@onelist.com References: <20010318230736.A3953@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from cowan@ccil.org on Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 03:16:29AM -0500 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 03:16:29AM -0500, John Cowan wrote: > Robin Lee Powell scripsit: > > > Nothing! I think that is exactly right and true and acceptable. But > > the freaking _definition_ of the lojban language says that stating > > something that is not true as the x2 of djuno is incorrect use of the > > language! > > No, it says that statements that use a false statement as the x2 of > djuno are *false*, not incorrect use of the language. Falsity of the > inner bridi entails falsity of the outer bridi, not ungrammaticality > of the outer bridi. If that's the case, then I think the definition of djuno needs to be changed to include _some_ mention of a truth requirement, because I, for one, disagree with your use of both djuno and the English work 'know'. And I don't think I'm going to argue with you about this anymore, because I don't think there's any chance of us finding common ground. -Robin -- http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~rlpowell/ BTW, I'm male, honest. Information wants to be free. Too bad most of it is crap. --RLP