From xod@sixgirls.org Mon Mar 19 12:46:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@shiva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 20:46:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 77111 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 20:46:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 20:46:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO shiva.sixgirls.org) (206.252.141.232) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 20:46:03 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by shiva.sixgirls.org (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2JKNAQ12645 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:23:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:23:09 -0500 (EST) To: Subject: Re: [lojban] re: djuno [was: random lojban annoyance In-Reply-To: <9.12915c06.27e7c8e5@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself krici believe; 'creed' x1 believes [without evidence/proof] belief/creed x2 (du'u) is true/assumed about subject x3 Can you give me any example some somebody believing anything without evidence? Even the Son of Sam serial killer had evidence; his neighbor's doberman told him to commit those murders. On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 pycyn@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/19/2001 2:16:42 PM Central Standard Time, > xod@sixgirls.org writes: > > > > What the heck does "without evidence" mean? Nobody believes anything > > without evidence. That their evidence is flimsy to another person is a > > separate issue. > > > This can give rise to a paradox, if taken literally, or an infinite regree\ss > proving it is impossible to believe anything. But the point here is just > that the question of evidence need not arise in defending a claim that a > person believes something. In the case of knowledge, by contrast, evidence > is one of the crucial factors, though not the only one. > > ----- We do not like And if a cat those Rs and Ds, needed a hat? Who can't resist Free enterprise more subsidies. is there for that!